Looking at the old version of The Romance of the Three Kingdoms today, I turned it over and saw that Brother Pig was dead. I was so sad, so I asked such a question with a big stroke. It didn’t feel very appropriate to write down such a topic with a stroke of a pen.
So the title is changed to Can it annex Wei? Or at least the great chaos of the Cao Wei Dynasty made Shu become the most powerful party to prepare for future generations?
Someone’s first reaction must be that I read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms too much. However, I think Zhuge has lived for 30 years. There is hope of a comeback. Because Sima Yi died in 251 AD, Sima Zhao replaced Wei in 266, and Zhuge launched his army in 257. The largest rebellion in the late Three Kingdoms period. During this period, the political situation of Cao Wei was turbulent and the Sima family was ready to move. There were many opportunities to take advantage of it. I hope you will discuss it carefully.
PS: I am not a junior in the Three Kingdoms, but there are many great historical talents, and my personal positioning is semi-historical blind, slightly lower than the semi-historical blind Jin Yong’s level, so I don’t need to tell me too much about the basic knowledge of the Three Kingdoms, please analyze from the overall situation.

During the Zhuge Liang period, he fought Cao Wei five times. The first time was the Northern Expedition of Jieting, the second time was a diplomatic response and perfunctory Dongwu. It was not a serious fight. The third time was a failed invasion by Cao Wei, and the fourth time was a great northern expedition The military rations did not continue, and for the fifth time, Wuzhangyuan was stationed in Tiantian. The true attempt by Zhuge Liang to take the initiative in the Northern Expedition and failed was only the fourth and first time. In these two active attacks, he was actually not difficult to win the cities of Longxi, because the water of the Western Han Dynasty flowing directly into Longxi could give him low-cost food. (The first time he did not defend the street pavilion is almost the only passage between Longxi and the Guanzhong Plain. The gate of Cao Wei’s reinforcement of Longxi was closed when he kept it. However, Prince Ma went to see and found that the place was five kilometers wide and there was no city pass, so it is estimated that Ma Di can’t block the Cao Wei cavalry if he can’t go up the mountain). For the fifth time, if he did not die, he would actually settle the rations problem on the spot in the occupied Longxi area. If the logistic solution is solved, Longxi biting and swallowing his belly should not be a big problem. The next step is the Guanzhong Plain. With the grain production capacity in Guanzhong and Jincheng’s defense facilities for thousands of miles, Zhuge Liang would not be able to defend Cao Wei’s assault if he had no cavalry. However, if he steadily used Longxi’s turrets to farm and feed the Shuhan cavalry, he might still have a chance (most of Cao Wei’s cavalry horses are produced in Longxi). At that time, the action that determined the strength and destiny of various regimes was to reinforce the land. Because of the loss of a large number of people throughout the war after the Eastern Han Dynasty, Deng Ai’s Tuntian did the best, so it was the Wei and Jin Dynasties that won in the end. If Zhuge Liang lives another 30 years, Longxi will have no problem. Whether Guanzhong can be won depends on whether he and Deng Ai later had a better effect on farming. In addition, it depends on whether Cao Wei can supplement enough troops from the surrounding nomads after the loss of Longxi. In addition, the politics of the clan and the manor economy at that time had a significant destructive effect on the organization of the government. This disease was the lightest in the Shu Han, the heaviest in the Eastern Wu, and the Wei and Jin developed from light to heavy (so later there will be Huainan three rebels plus eight King of Rebellion). The probability of winning a pass will gradually increase over time. However, the unification of all Han lands is not a problem that can be solved by a single generation for the three regimes. Deng Ai was more than sixty when he destroyed the Shu Han, and the era of Yanghu Du Yu was another generation later. Zhuge Liang continued to live in silence again, can he survive until his grandson’s generation retires…According to the trajectory of economic history, if Zhuge Liang really lived to the time when Shu Han lay down Guanzhong, Wei Jin’s population would still be nomadic according to the script Sooner or later, when the nation moved inward, the Five Husbands China would happen sooner or later, but because the Shu Han guarded and moved the capital to Chang’an, the destructive power of the Five Husbands China would be limited to Shanxi, Henan and Hebei. Then the one hundred years of chaos in the Three Kingdoms will continue directly to the later 300 years of the Southern and Northern Dynasties (it is estimated that the troubled times of the Southern and Northern Dynasties will not be as long as the five hundred years in the real script, but at least three hundred years will certainly be there). After Zhuge Liang’s death, the vacuum of power and responsibilities that he left behind in the Shu Han would cause Jiang Weifei, Feiyi, Wei Yan, Yang Yi, and Jiang Wan to fight internally among the next generation of successors. At the top of each mountain, each group will also support their own Fei Yis. The ending of the Shu Han is either to dismantle (the Northern Wei ending), or after the Fei Yis fight, the one who wins the power will become the Han (the Southern Song Qiliang ending) or change Putting the Emperor Liu aside like the Japanese shogunate (the normal state of the Eastern Jin Dynasty), survived these hundreds of years of troubled times.

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helpmekim
7 months ago

​During Zhuge Liang’s first Northern Expedition, he sent Zhao Yun and Dengzhi out of Jigu to “make a fake move with his left hand and right hand.” Cao Zhen thought it was the main force that was immediately attracted to him. After hearing that Longxi had fallen, Cao Zhen panicked and immediately asked Cao Rui for help. Cao Rui sent Zhang Yun to clean up the horses. Guo Huai also defeated Gao Xiang in Lieliucheng. Cao Zhen personally pursued Zhao Yun and Deng Zhi and achieved drizzle results. In the Battle of Jieting, Zhuge Liang was improperly employed, and he underestimated Zhang Yun’s marching speed. He thought that Ma Di would have time to repair the fortifications in Jieting, and he would not be able to pass Zhang Yun on Mount Long. After all, the Prime Minister had just started the Northern Expedition and lacked experience. As a result of this defeat, he immediately missed the chance to capture Liangzhou by surprise. What a pity.

heloword
7 months ago

In August 228, the Battle of Shiting broke out and Cao Xiu was defeated. Then Wei wanted to retaliate against Wu. Press【Sima Xuan King’s water control army in Jingzhou, wanting to enter the river to defeat Wu, Zhao Xi governs the army in Guanzhong to accept the Jiedu… Zhuge Liang returns, rushes to Chen Cang… Chen Chenye enters Nanzheng, and Liang retreats】, Wei Guo Zhang Xun, who had defeated Wu, was quickly transferred to rescue Chen Cang, and the siege of Wu was solved. Zhuge Liang’s strategic goal was perfectly achieved. Moreover, Zhuge Liang’s two attacks and three attacks were not separate military operations. In the winter of 228, Zhuge Liang set off from Hanzhong, and in the spring of 229, he besieged Chen Cang and retreated. At the same time, in the spring of 229, the Chen style had led his division to attack Wudu Yinping Second County in the west. ​

helpyme
7 months ago

Sorry, I can’t do it. Because Yongliang is no longer the Yongliang of the Western and Eastern Han Dynasty. The Qiang Rebellion, the Dong Zhuo Rebellion, the Ma Chao Rebellion, and the Hanzhong decisive battle have exhausted the vitality of this land. Even if I believe that Wuhou can directly defeat Sima Yi’s army in a field battle, what then? Cao Wei, who was able to move Hanzhong’s population, can also do the same with Yong Liang. The Wuzhangyuan method of farming fields can work, I think five years is not too much. Suppose that after Wuhou defeated Sima Yi’s main force in two years of field battle, Sima Yi was forced to relocate the Yongliang population, and Wuhou swept away the remaining forces of Cao Wei in the following three years, taking all the west of Tongguan and moving the capital to Chang’an. Here comes the problem. Do you want to continue to fight against Wei in the east? The answer is no. From Bashu to Hanzhong to Chang’an, the cost of food and grass is so high that it is almost inoperable. Yongliang, whose population is empty, basically has no additional troops. Then we can only operate the Guanzhong area from scratch, from the reconstruction of fertile crops, and the recovery of the population, I think 20 years are not too much. You see, thirty years have been used up like this. What else will be after thirty years? Dong Yun died of illness, no one strictly guarded the Shuzhong court. Jiang Wan is also dead, and there is no important minister who will dominate the overall situation. Assuming that Fei Yi was not assassinated, how will Chang’an and Chengdu be divided? Fei Yi sits in Chang’an, so who is going to suppress it? Jiang Wei is sitting in Chang’an. Who will host the court? Moreover, Wuhou continued for thirty years, and many events would be skipped. Cao Rui didn’t dare to slack off and might not indulge. Cao Shuang took over the power and focused on dealing with Yongliang. Sima Yi had no time to consider politics and moved to Chang’an. Then there would be no change in Gaopingling and no three rebellions in Huainan, and the true great Wei Chunchen Sima Yi was born. Now that the opportunity for the world to change is gone, how to advance into the Central Plains? All wars serve politics, and the economic foundation determines the superstructure. When Cao Pi passed Chen Qun’s Nine-Rank Middleman Law and tied the family who controlled the land and population to Cao Wei’s chariot, the Northern Expedition had already failed. Although Cao Wei is not a monolithic one, the family has reached a preliminary consensus on unity. Fighting the divided Kyushu with one state cannot succeed, let alone the united Kyushu? Cao Wei, Cao Zhen died, and Sima Yi, Sima Yi died, and Deng Aizhonghui, Deng Aizhonghui died, and Chen Tai, Chen Tai died, and Du Yu and Wang Jun. Ji Han, who else is Jiang Wei dead? The dignified people are like there, who Yunhan is dead.

sina156
7 months ago

I have read an article before. Due to the frequent attacks of Wu Shu and other internal and external troubles, the economy of Wei State has deteriorated since Cao Pi and Cao Rui. Prices have increased year after year, and even had to abolish five baht and implement barter. The situation in Guanzhong area More serious, several times to resist Zhuge Liang’s Northern Expedition required the transfer of troops from the central government. Various supplies along the way increased the financial pressures of the central and local governments. In the subsequent Northern Expeditions, the dispute over whether to attack or defend appeared in Cao Wei Chaotang, which was also confirmed from the side. Cao Wei’s domestic situation is not optimistic, and Wu and Shu are both small boats and turn around. They are governed properly, but their economic conditions are decent. In fact, until the death of Zhuge Liang, the Shuhan began to defend itself, but instead gave Cao Wei the opportunity to recover and implement large-scale farming. The economic situation began to improve and the foundation for the unification of the world was laid. Cao Wei is indeed a great power, but there are many things that need to be taken into consideration for his family’s big business. It is like a big house ventilated on all sides. If Wu Shu can really destroy a pillar through continuous erosion, it is also possible to break the house. Zhuge Liang’s original strategy was to erode Longyou, and then enter Guanzhong. It was to keep bleeding and gnawing off a pillar. If Zhuge Liang lived for another ten or twenty years, it would not be a problem to win Guanzhong. In that case, it would become a confrontation between things, Dahan. The banner’s appeal will be stronger, and the northern tycoons will also wait and see. If Cao Wei smoothly causes the Gaopingling Incident and the Huainan Three Rebellions, it will be God’s help. The competition between countries cannot only be based on who is big, the ability to mobilize resources, internal and external contradictions, leaders’ decision-making and even some accidental emergencies are the key points. You can understand how the Manchu dynasty swallows the elephant and destroys Daming. Up.

yahoo898
7 months ago

It is unlikely. It’s like what Zhuge said to Li in his Longzhong: if you want to send troops through the two states of Jing and Yi, and join Sun Quan to go out of Jianghuai, you have to take advantage of the changes in the world. In fact, Zhuge Liang, as a role model recognized by later generations of loyal ministers, was not only an instant thought by him to reward Liu Bei Sangu, but was actually his strategy to escape from the chaos in Nanyang during the period of ploughing long mu, but he waited for a good time. “The appearance of Liu Bei.” Zhuge wanted to regain the Han Dynasty, so Liu Bang got up from Hanzhong, stole Guanzhong, and entered the Central Plains. So Longzhong told Li that the emperor had become the emperor because of this. Only when the Qin Empire fell apart, the Central Plains melee, and the various projects of the First Emperor, the land of the Six Kingdoms was actually riddled with holes, but the land of Hanzhong and Guanzhong has always been stable. Moreover, it is Tianfu. Economic power determines the military. Strength, Liu Bang can rejuvenate the country. But now it’s different. Central Plains has a stable and strong economy. Cao Cao said that he was a traitor and he was very pertinent. It was a traitor to hold the emperor, and a traitor not to toss him. In troubled times, he could stabilize one party and develop production. He had a strategic vision and defended the Central Plains, so he naturally gained the world. (After all, during the Han Dynasty, Jiangnan The Barbarian Land has not yet been developed). In addition, Cao Cao has no worries in the north. It is a bit difficult to enter the land of the country from the barbarian land, so Zhuge needs the support of Jingzhou and Hefei. However, the two families of Sun and Liu are in conflict. After the two families of Cao and Sun are divided into Jingzhou, there is no easy way to take the Central Plains. In fact, from these three roads, they occupy Xiakou, Nanjun and then map Xiangyang and Fancheng, and then force Xuchang and Luoyang. The easiest way on the ground. Therefore, if the Northern Expedition is to be successful, either the Great Chaos in the North will be like the Wuchaohua a few decades earlier, or Jingzhou will be retaken (at least Wuchang, the southern county), and then Xiang and Fan will have the hope of swallowing Wei and destroying Wu, and the Han world will continue. . Finally, regarding the economic strength, the area of ​​Yizhou is actually not small, more than that of Qingyanxu, but compared with the population density under Cao Cao’s rule, the total amount of agriculture is not enough. In fact, it is not the amount of military ration provided to account for Jingzhou. Talents and favorable geographical environment, the capital of Hanzhong and Shuzhong Tianfu can become an emperor’s career, but it also needs time and geographical advantages. Generally speaking, the history of the Three Kingdoms is the lingering life of Wu and Shu. Cao and Wei are not in trouble. Wu Shu has no chance. Is it actually that easy to regain Jingzhou? In addition: Zhuge’s strategic vision is expected to make Jiangdong group fearful. Controlling the two states of Jingyi is the big plan to destroy Wu. If you don’t believe it, let’s see how the posterity Yang Hu and Wang Jun did it. Stone ~ If you can’t hold Jing Yi, you can’t hold Jiangnan. Since the Southern Dynasty, the Yuan Dynasty and the Southern Song Dynasty are vivid

leexin
7 months ago

First, the conclusion is impossible, because time is Cao Wei’s friend, Shu Han’s enemy, what does Shu Han have, Chengdu Plain, and Cao Wei? In the entire North China Plain, this means more land, and land is population and financial resources. The longer the time, the greater the gap between the forces of Cao Wei and Shuhan. This is equivalent to the single mine in Warcraft fighting two mines, the longer it drags. The advantages of the two mines are more obvious. Moreover, the Shu Han’s soldiers who were accustomed to warfare, and the soldiers who had spent more than a hundred battles aging, did not have the strength to challenge Cao Wei. I really want to say that the chance of the Shu Han should be that before the defeat of Jingzhou, he had already won Xichuan and occupied Hanzhong. At the same time sitting on Jingxiang, it was Zhuge Lianglong’s proposal. At this time, the world has been waiting for the general trend. What major event is the Cao Wei internal rebellion, but when there is no general in Shu, Cao Wei chaos, you can do nothing. .

greatword
7 months ago

Since Dong Zhuo has come, and heroes have joined forces, there are countless people connecting counties across states. Compared with Yuan Shao, Cao Cao is less famous and few in number. However, the practice can overcome Shao, and the weak is the strong. Nowadays, there are millions of people who are holding the emperor and commanding the princes. This sincerity cannot compete with each other. Sun Quan has the east of the Yangtze River and has lived for three generations. The country is in danger and the people are attached to it. Jingzhou occupied Han and Mian in the north, benefiting the South China Sea, connecting Wuhui in the east, Tongba and Shu in the west. This is a country of military use, and its master cannot defend it. This is a deadly general, so does the general mean it? Yizhou is in danger, fertile and wild for thousands of miles, the land of abundance, the emperor’s career has become an emperor because of it. Liu Zhang is dark and weak, Zhang Lu is in the north, the people are rich and the country is rich but do not know how to save his shirt, the intelligent man Si De Mingjun. The general is the clan of the imperial family, the faith is in the world, and the heroes are considered as thirst. If there are jing and benefit, the rock will be protected, and the west will be in the middle of the war, and the south will be the yue. ; When the world changes, then a general will be ordered to command the army of Jingzhou to Xiangwan and Luo, and the general will lead the people of Yizhou out of Qinchuan. Who dare the people not to eat the pot of pulp to meet the general? If so, the dominance can be achieved, and the Han Dynasty can be prosperous. “——Chen Shou “Three Kingdoms·Shu Zhi·Zhuge Liang Biography”

loveyou
7 months ago

In China, even though Long Zhong Dui, a masterpiece of the ages, is included in middle school textbooks, there may still be many people who have not read the original text of Long Zhong Dui. But I don’t know that Longzhong should not be right. With extraordinary wisdom, Zhuge Liang proposed for Liu Bei the strategic prediction of the formation of the Three Kingdoms and the strategic outline for the establishment of the Shuhan. Prior to this, Liu Bei, as a warlord in the late Eastern Han Dynasty, had been living a life of displacement and confinement. Liu Bei voted for Gongsun Zan, Lu Bu, Cao Cao, Yuan Shao, Liu Biao and other warlords. Although he nominally led Yuzhou Mu, when he met Zhuge Liang, he actually occupied a small county called Xinye, which was given to him by Liu Biao. The core of Longzhong’s strategy is expressed in sixteen words: occupying Jingzhou, conquering Bashu in the west, uniting Sun Wu in the east, and rejecting Cao Cao in the north. However, there are major omissions in this strategic policy. Before explaining this omission, set the time indicator back. In the first year of Xingping (AD 194), the 19-year-old Sun Ce visited a celebrity Zhang Hong in Jiangdu (Yangzhou, Jiangsu) and asked him for advice. Put forward a specific strategy: first occupy Jiangdong, and then occupy Jingzhou, so that you can fight the north, and help the Han Dynasty. This road map predates Longzhong. Similarly, Lu Su later made a similar suggestion to Sun Quan: occupy Jingzhou and guard the Yangtze River in an attempt to build the achievements of the Han Emperor.

strongman
7 months ago

In fact, according to the original historical line, if Wuzhangyuan is continued for another five to ten years, Longxi may not have the surname Wei. At that time, Zhuge used Sima as a women’s clothing, and he planted land on the territory of the Wei Kingdom. In another three to five years, he can basically integrate resources. Using this as a base for supply, he no longer travels through the Shu Road, and has horse-producing areas. The battle between Cao Wei and Wei is longer. It would be better if Sun Quan didn’t do things. It would be perfect if Sun Quan crossed the river for a few waves. These people who fought against Zhuge, except for Cao Zhen and Zhang Yun’s good record and reliable thoughts, the others were basically beaten. The comparison of national power from your God’s perspective is also achieved by these two, even without more superior forces. Although Cao Wei’s national power is strong, he has to defend the entire Yangtze River front, and he must always beware of Zhuge’s harassment. The Xianbei, which is gradually unified on the back, is also better than Yunnan in South Vietnam It is much more powerful. If the western line is also stretched, these three sides will be empty once one side is breached. It was after Sima Yi took office that Zhuge saw the turning point. Cao Zhen and Zhang Xi’s thinking is correct and clear: blocking the mouth. If you are difficult to supply, I will just defend the fortress and hit your supply line, so that Cao Wei’s western front line is very short, and it can reduce investment. Even if you can’t beat you, you won’t be able to stay. Is Sima Yi taking office? Zhuge was farming out on the site of the Wei Kingdom. This is why Jieting plays very routinely but is very significant.

stockin
7 months ago

In fact, according to the original historical line, if Wuzhangyuan is continued for another five to ten years, Longxi may not have the surname Wei. At that time, Zhuge used Sima as a women’s clothing, and he planted land on the territory of the Wei Kingdom. In another three to five years, he can basically integrate resources. Using this as a base for supply, he no longer travels through the Shu Road, and has horse-producing areas. The battle between Cao Wei and Wei is longer. It would be better if Sun Quan didn’t do things. It would be perfect if Sun Quan crossed the river for a few waves. These people who fought against Zhuge, except for Cao Zhen and Zhang Yun’s good record and reliable thoughts, the others were basically beaten. The comparison of national power from your God’s perspective is also achieved by these two, even without more superior forces. Although Cao Wei’s national power is strong, he has to defend the entire Yangtze River front, and he must always beware of Zhuge’s harassment. The Xianbei, which is gradually unified on the back, is also better than Yunnan in South Vietnam It is much more powerful. If the western line is also stretched, these three sides will be empty once one side is breached. It was after Sima Yi took office that Zhuge saw the turning point. Cao Zhen and Zhang Xi’s thinking is correct and clear: blocking the mouth. If you are difficult to supply, I will just defend the fortress and hit your supply line, so that Cao Wei’s western front line is very short, and it can reduce investment. Even if you can’t beat you, you won’t be able to stay. Is Sima Yi taking office? Zhuge was farming out on the site of the Wei Kingdom. This is why Jieting plays very routinely but is very significant.

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