Sanxingdui culture is certainly part of ancient Chinese civilization, but Sanxingdui culture has certain differences with the Shang culture in the Central Plains. From the study of the cultural relics unearthed in Sanxingdui, it can be found that although the Yin and Shang Dynasty and Sanxingdui Ancient Country, the civilization center of the upper reaches of the Yangtze River, are separated by more than 1,000 kilometers, they are inextricably linked more than 3,000 years ago. Among the jade weapons and ritual objects such as Ge, Zhang, Cong, Bi, Huan and Yuan unearthed at the Sanxingdui site, most of the artifacts have obvious Shang cultural factors; the unearthed are equivalent to the bronze ritual objects from the upper layers of Erligang and the first phase of Yinxu In the middle, container shapes such as zun, ampoule, plate and lid are common shapes in this period of Shang culture, and the decoration of utensils is also the decoration style of Shang culture. With the further deepening of excavation work and cultural relic research, in the second phase of Yin Ruins, a large number of unique local style artifacts appeared in the Ge and Zhang of jade tools. Although the bronze statue is close to the Yin Shang culture or the middle reaches of the Yangtze River in southern Shaanxi Similar artifacts unearthed in the Hanzhong area, but the ornamentation of the artifacts is very local style, showing strong local ethnic characteristics, which also shows that the ancient Shu people behind the Sanxingdui cultural site have gradually begun to give birth to a bronze civilization with ancient Shu cultural characteristics. But it is worth noting that this does not mean that the Sanxingdui culture does not belong to the ancient Chinese civilization. In fact, the ancient Chinese civilization is a diversified combined civilization. It is represented by the Yin and Shang culture in the Central Plains, as well as the Liangzhu culture in the middle and lower reaches of the Yangtze River and the Sanxingdui culture in the upper reaches of the Yangtze River.

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helpmekim
6 months ago

I hope they will magnify their arguments, unify the standards, and become the world’s standards. In this way, Greece will be able to escape from Europe, ancient Rome will also be separated from Europe, ancient Persia and Greco-Roman have nothing to do with Mesopotamia and Greece-Persia. Take this enthusiasm to world history to question, don’t hold it at home, it’s easy to suffocate your head. Look at the ancient European heritage that is riddled with holes, and poke them a hole according to this standard.

heloword
6 months ago

I don’t know much about Chinese archaeology, but I just say a few points from the theory of archaeology. I believe that the Chinese civilization that most people recognize is largely derived from costume dramas. The historical background of costume drama belongs to the feudal society from the perspective of political society, and the iron age from the perspective of material culture. And Sanxingdui belongs to the early stage of civilization, which is the Bronze Age in terms of material culture. So the style of painting is very different from the Chinese civilization you imagine. You can imagine that archaeologists excavated today’s site a thousand years later, and they will also think that this site is very different from the Ming and Qing Dynasties. Horse-drawn carriage and bull-carriage culture has been replaced by motor vehicles, ironware and woodware have been replaced by plastics and alloys, clothing has been diversified, and wood and stone houses have been replaced by concrete houses. Can they say that these are two civilizations? Material culture is often stronger than the culture between civilizations, countries, and nations. Just think about three spearheads and ask a person to find which two have higher similarity. These three spearheads come from: Shang Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, and Crusaders. period. It is obvious that the similarities between the two are stronger, because there is a huge gap between them and the former in terms of materials and production processes, as well as design purposes. This is why some people think that the early Chinese cultural relics are similar to the Mayan civilization. In fact, the materials used are similar, so there is so much room for development. Recently, people said that Sanxingdui had something to do with the Egyptian pharaoh, and the blood pressure was rising. The car we drove today is the same as the car the Egyptians drove. Do we have anything to do with them?

helpyme
6 months ago

Because the concept of China was born in the construction of a modern nation-state, and it is a new concept. The Chinese nation includes all Chinese people who are now living on Chinese territory. Then you can find which ethnic group’s ancestors came from the Sanxingdui civilization? Before Zhonghua was “Tian Xia”, the concept of “Tian Xia” was also born in Zhou, which is also behind the Sanxingdui civilization. You can say that Sanxingdui is an ancient civilization that was born in China, but you can’t force Sanxingdui to be China. Sanxingdui is Sanxingdui. He has exchanges with the Yin-Shang civilization in the Central Plains, but it is obviously not part of the Yin-Shang civilization. If you have had exchanges, it is part of it. Then, wouldn’t it make sense in Zhangjiakou for Roman orthodoxy. Moreover, according to the level of the same period, the level of Sanxingdui civilization is far lower than that of Zhuxia in the Central Plains. If it does not perish in the end, it is likely to be absorbed by Zhuxia. The Chinese civilization has absorbed more things. If it is considered China, China has also absorbed Persian civilization, Jewish civilization, and Islamic civilization. Then, is Persian, Israel and Arabia also since ancient times?

sina156
6 months ago

A big misunderstanding lies in the fact that looking at the early ancient civilization four thousand years ago based on the current China’s territory, if China’s current territory extends to include the Mesopotamia of Central Asia, doesn’t it mean that the Babylonian civilization also belongs to the Chinese civilization? To look at the concept of China from a historically dynamic perspective, it is necessary to recognize that there were many ancient cultures coexisting on the land of China more than four thousand years ago, and the Sanxingdui culture in the Bashu area and the Erlitou culture in the Central Plains were naturally developed in parallel. Trace the source, briefly describe the development of the concept of “China” 20,000 years ago, a group of tribes that migrated from the west A generation of Tibet arrived in Qinghai, they are ancient Qiang people. The ancient Qiang group has developed for 10,000 years, and the tribe is getting bigger and bigger, and the local resources can no longer satisfy the expanding tribe, so some of the tribes began to migrate. About nine thousand years ago, one of the ancient Qiang people migrated eastward along the Yellow River basin. This is the earliest Chinese ancestor. About 7,000 years ago, Chinese ancestors settled in Henan for a generation. Nowadays, genetic sequencing shows that 70% of the Han people are descended from six male ancestors in this group of people 7,000 years ago. About 5,000 to 4,000 years ago, the Chinese civilization entered the legendary Huangdi tribe period before it was truly civilization. Until the fall of the Shang Dynasty 3,000 years ago, Chinese ancestors were active on both sides of the Yellow River with Henan as the center. After the fall of the Shang Dynasty, the Western Zhou dynasty enshrined the princes, and the Chinese civilization began the first large-scale conquest in all directions in history. The legendary Chi You Jiu Miao is a branch of the ancient Qiang people who developed southward during the migration and development of the ancient Qiang people. After thousands of years of independent development, they were annexed by the Huangdi tribe. From the period of the Yellow Emperor tribe to the fall of the Shang Dynasty, it was nearly three thousand years, and the Chinese civilization was at its greatest within a control area of ​​hundreds of thousands of square kilometers. Our historical perspective is based on the perspective of Chinese civilization. Today, China’s territory is nearly 10 million square kilometers. During that period of more than 3,000 years, the Chinese civilization only controlled a few hundred thousand square kilometers. During this period, the remaining 9 million square kilometers of territory, there are other parallel civilizations, not Is it normal? When the Western Zhou Dynasty destroyed the Shang Dynasty, there were more than a dozen allied nations that supported King Wu of Zhou. Most of them have no idea what they were, where they came from, or what happened to them. . During the period of the development of Chinese civilization, there were many civilizations that stood side by side. Is it difficult to admit this? I don’t think it’s necessary, the reason is, no need to say more

yahoo898
6 months ago

Not only ordinary people, but many professionals may have entered the same misunderstanding. It is to equate the two issues of 1. Whether Sanxingdui came from the west) and 2. Whether Sanxingdui is higher than the Central Plains culture), and then introduce Chinese civilization to the west. Temporarily set: Sanxingdui came to the west, and is higher than the Central Plains culture. So can it be considered that the Central Plains culture originated in Sanxingdui? Obviously not true. Where does the Central Plains culture come from? The key is people, not technology. Talent is the core of culture. Local natives lived in the Central Plains region and the Yangtze River Basin area for a long time. Even if they are tribes, even if they lag behind Sanxingdui, that is the origin of the Central Plains culture. In the area where people lived thousands of years ago, a large tribe has extremely limited control. It is normal that there are dozens of large tribes in the territory of China. There are sporadic interactions with each other, and they are slightly affected. It is also normal to maintain their independence. After learning the advanced technology and culture of other tribes, it is not impossible to give up their original technology and culture. Coupled with their respective natural disasters and diseases, migration or extinction is not uncommon. How can it be measured by technology alone? The origin of the Central Plains culture must be in the Yellow River Basin, my basis is that the myths and legends never mentioned the West. Don’t think that mythology is illusory. Although it cannot be directly proved, it is the most powerful to prove it.

leexin
6 months ago

In fact, Sanxingdui, known as “one of the most important archaeological discoveries of mankind in the 20th century”, does leave many mysteries to the world, and there are many unsolved mysteries. Why is “Sanxingdui” mysterious? According to reports, archaeological excavations in Sanxingdui, no matter how exquisite bronze, gold, and jade are unearthed, no written records have been found. Zou Peng, director of missions at Sanxingdui Museum, said that people can only find some sporadic and full of mythological records from “The Book of King Shu” and “The History of Huayang”. Therefore, Sanxingdui is very mysterious. Has the Sanxingdui civilization really disappeared? More than 3,000 years ago, a mysterious event may have occurred in the ancient city of Sanxingdui. Thousands of treasures were destroyed and burned, and they were buried underground in a regular manner. Since there is no written record, what happened on earth has left the archaeologists of later generations scratching their brains. Did the Sanxingdui civilization disappear with the burial of these artifacts? With the current archaeological situation, it is difficult to draw a definite conclusion. So why would someone come to the conclusion that “Sanxingdui culture does not belong to Chinese civilization”? I still remember that South Korea desperately went to the United Nations to “grab its heritage”, it was “stealing culture” and establishing the self-confidence of the so-called national cultural traditions. For well-known reasons, it can only add jokes, and some Japanese experts can’t stand it. Back to Sanxingdui, why some people rush to deny it when many mysteries are unsolved? Either it is “not skilled” and intends to become ridiculous; or it is anxious to deny the foundation of Chinese culture. Regarding the latter, we need to pay special attention to its intentions!

greatword
6 months ago

Because all history is contemporary history, whether it supports or opposes it, it serves the current ideology. The current Internet dispute is mainly a dispute between fascist right and Conmi left (capitalist freedom has been in the sewers for many years), so support it? Still against it? This identification has nothing to do with whether Sanxingdui is a Chinese civilization, but only with the ideology of netizens. It doesn’t even count when an expert verifies it. If it is verified or not, the expert will be labeled as a “reverse nationalist” or a so-called “class enemy” who supports the ideology of the other party. If an expert gives an ambiguous answer, and neither side supports it, naturally netizens will put a “public knowledge” hat on it. What the “common knowledge” says is unbelievable to hide evil intentions, and the final decision still depends on the broad masses. Netizens’ debate. How to debate? “Don’t argue against the classics”, this is a general theory that everyone agrees with, “you lose if you argue against the classics.” If you cite a lot of Sanxingdui archaeological evidence and documents, netizens naturally pick faults, or directly say that the evidence is for ideology. The same evidence has different interpretations and different conclusions. So in the end you will become another “bad guy” equivalent to “common knowledge”-“lizhongke”. Don’t argue, just scold me. Anyway, if I don’t support my ideology, I will be charged in US dollars. The high praises really grasp the essence. As a completely new archaeological excavation site, Sanxingdui can only come into contact with the top experts in archaeological research. A bunch of guys who have never touched the ashes of archaeological pits, and some of them don’t even see all the pictures, are here for Sanxingdui. Come and quarrel can be considered a laugh. After all, Sanxingdui is not important at all, and whether Sanxingdui is a Chinese civilization or not. Netizens’ debates are important. One is to eliminate the boredom caused by the current downturn in the cultural industry, and the other is to do what humans love to do since ancient times. With some grand proposition, it’s just for gaining power and wealth. I can’t avoid this, otherwise, why am I writing this answer?

loveyou
6 months ago

Is it because of those masks? The precision is super high, the face shape is peculiar, and the posture is different from the common shape in Central Plains. Chinese civilization has a main axis, represented by the Central Plains below the Yellow Emperor, but it continues to merge with surrounding civilizations. In fact, each dynasty is a different civilization, but they all actively assimilate and carry forward this main civilization, not just artifacts, including writing and ideology. It has left its own mark on this dynasty, but also has a lot of forgotten characteristics of its own. There were obvious traces of assimilation of the Central Plains in the later period of Sanxingdui, but the source was different. Li Bai’s poems are about the origin of the ancient Shu civilization, which spans more than five thousand years, which is very different from the Central Plains civilization. There are many such ethnic groups and cultures in the Southwest, and some still retain their original self-characteristics. Many ancient civilizations eventually merged into Chinese civilization. If you can’t see or deny this main axis, there will be situations in which civilizations in various regions compete for the source of Chinese civilization. This is exactly the same as the situation where various dialects contend for the source of ancient Chinese.

strongman
6 months ago

In this kind of debate where the public is public and the mother is reasonable, everything is a struggle for the right to speak. The term Chinese civilization has different meanings in different eras. If counted by Huaxia, it would be extreme fundamentalism. Many of the Han people need to be eliminated, and even everything has to be pushed, imitating the pre-Qin people’s dress, writing, speaking, and even all the science and technology after the pre-Qin period. The Taliban are not so extreme. So this is impossible. Then there is the Han civilization. Since the battle between the Han and Hungarians, the territory of the Han Dynasty has been greatly expanded. Coupled with the strength of the Han Dynasty, all ethnic groups and regions in the Han Dynasty and even the surrounding areas of the Han Dynasty were proud to call themselves Han people. The sense of ethnic identity gradually collapsed, and most of them identified themselves as Han. This is the origin of the Han. The Han civilization has always been the main line of civilization on the land of China. At this time, the core area of ​​Han people’s activity was China, which already included Baiyue in the south and many nomadic tribes in the north. During the Tang Dynasty, many ethnic minorities in the north were incorporated. In the Song Dynasty, China began to enter conservatism. The Yuan Dynasty was only a century old, and the Khitan was rarely seen in the Ming Dynasty. The genealogy of a village in Henan can be traced back to the Dangxiang tribe of Xixia. Most of the disappeared clan names have been integrated into the Han nationality. In the end of Qing Dynasty, many people of the Manchu and Mongolian ethnic groups have become Han ethnicity in order to avoid disaster. The Chinese Characters began to appear frequently in modern times, and new interpretations of the Chinese Characters appeared. The earliest slogan of Mr. Sun Wen was to expel the Tartars and restore China. At this time, the Han civilization was the core to reject foreign races, but it quickly became a five-ethnic republic. The meaning of China at this time is that these five tribes and their branches are part of China. After New China, all the aborigines within the territory of the People’s Republic of China, including the large-scale foreign population who moved in and settled before New China, are considered to be the Chinese nation and profess to be Chinese to the outside world. All civilizations within the territory of the People’s Republic of China belong to the branch of Chinese civilization.

stockin
6 months ago

I have been to Sanxingdui Museum and Chichen Itza, Mexico. I don’t know why, but I always think that the totems of Sanxingdui resemble the Mayans. There are totems such as the sun god, bird, and snake, which are very different from the style of Chinese civilization. I think Sanxingdui is a civilization born in Chinese territory, but it is two civilizations from the Chinese culture that has been handed down at present. It was later broken down for unknown reasons, just like the Mayan civilization.

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