The quality of Japanese manufacturing is indeed good, especially when compared with the filthy American manufacturing, but this quality has nothing to do with shit craftsmanship or rigorous meticulousness. It is purely a cumulative advantage brought about by the early formation of a systematic manufacturing industry. . Attributing the “good quality” made in Japan to the craftsmanship or Japanese rigor is purely because domestic Japanese comprador interest groups endow manufacturing products with metaphysical spiritual value to increase product sales and added value, increase profitability, and at the same time The influencing factors of the manufacturing industry are resorted to mysticism, which then suppresses a commercial hype by competitors. This set of Japanese business practices is not only external, but also internal. Anyone who understands the Japanese business environment knows that Japanese people are particularly good at giving less material wealth more, even disproportionate, spiritual value, thereby enhancing Commodity profit rate, and then through high-intensity propaganda and words, let this spiritual value become a general consensus among consumers, and then let consumers accept this high profit rate constituted by consensus. In essence, this is one A psychological trick based on group subconscious manipulation is a large-scale collective self-hypnosis scene, which belongs to the advanced stage of consumerism. For example, the so-called Japanese Wagyu beef blows loudly, and then says it is delicious and delicious, west of the nest~, but you ask why it is delicious, but you can’t tell why it is so, only I will recite the marble texture repeatedly. , Listening to music, drinking milk, melting in the mouth and other scriptures, but for beef cattle breeding, breeding, slaughtering, meat handling, transportation, storage, processing and other specific processes that directly affect the quality of meat, why not mention it? mention? Because he himself does not understand that modern animal husbandry and upstream and downstream supporting industries are a set of highly complex modern manufacturing industries. It is a complex system engineering. Many professionals can only find a few specific categories within their lives. Have deeper knowledge, such as feed ratio, nutrient addition, temperature and humidity control of beef cattle breeding environment, epidemic prevention, etc. You let these clowns who play commercial tricks talk about how to test cow feces to analyze the physiological condition of cattle. He couldn’t tell the specific academic content, so he could only chant the scriptures with high intensity. Even the so-called marble texture can be quantitatively explained. The so-called marble texture, in its essence, is nothing more than a higher and more uniform intermuscular fat content, appropriate thickness of muscle fibers, and more myoglobin preserved in the later meat processing process. The red-case chef is good at knife skills, showing the muscle structure, nothing more. The whole process can be quantified, analyzed, and replicated. The meat quality itself can also be controlled by process elements such as breeding, slaughter, processing, and breeding. There is no mystical metaphysics. . In fact, the ancestors of the previous generation playing business spiritual metaphysics were French. French wines blew the cowhide loudly in those days. They pioneered the certification of origin, the classification system, and the new world and the old world, even the left bank and the right bank of Bordeaux. The German wine belongs to the old world, but because it was despised by the French, the old nationality was almost expelled. The wine of the new world was even despised as a pot of water by the French. Later, in 1976, Paris had an event. At the blind wine tasting, the French proudly sent a luxurious lineup to play. As a result, the first-class wineries such as Chateau Mouton in Bordeaux, Brion Heights, and Le Frye in Burgundy were swept by the United States from the New World. The water hit the ground and looked for teeth. This incident caused the metaphysical system of French wine to collapse directly, and the New World’s pot waterers were recognized and respected. This incident was called the Paris Trial. When contemporary French wines are marketing to Chinese people who don’t understand the situation, they especially like to take advantage of the psychology of certain people. When telling stories, they like to say that a certain estate is a certain family, what is passed down for hundreds of years, the farthest There are also those dating back to the Roman Empire. I have been around for a long time, but I can quickly fall down. Isn’t it just an old French peasant township entrepreneur? The slogan of the French during the Great Revolution was to kill all the nobles. Until the last one, the old nobles were basically dead. The emperor had all the new nobles in the imperial period. Where did France come from? What heritage nobles make what wines in the country. Isn’t this pure bullshit? A similar situation is the same for wagyu. Australia and Argentina, the big beef cattle breeding countries, provide beef with similar intermuscular fat ratio and processing technology, and mix it with Japanese wagyu to make a dish. You can taste it blindly. Seeing the difference is to see the ghost. This is essentially a large-scale collective self-hypnosis scene of subjective idealism religion. The essence of “good quality” is that manufacturing has a high yield rate, stable process, high technical standards, and reasonable product design. These things do not require craftsmanship, family inheritance, excellence, and strict selection at every level. the best. Instead, it is necessary to form a systematic manufacturing industry as soon as possible, and after the industry is formed, through the continuous trial and error, improvement, optimization, and iteration of the entire industry chain, accumulation and progress are achieved in a nearly exhaustive way. We have seen the development. The precision manufacturing and high-quality products of manufacturing countries are the final result of tens or even hundreds of years of such accumulation, rather than their special mental power or a natural tumor in their brain that makes them naturally better than us. , Even if their engineering and technical personnel show some refined and standardized work styles in their specific work, they are not born like this, but they work and train in the high-level manufacturing industry that has been accumulated over a long period of time. Work standards, you can work in that environment, because the technical specifications are not up to standard, and the product will be unqualified. If the product is not qualified, the money will be deducted. It’s as simple as that. For example, to make a star gear, what material is used, how much hardness is controlled after annealing and spheroidization, what is the size of the shot peening process, how fast the barrel rolls, how long it rotates, what range of temperature is controlled when degreasing, and when washing How much temperature is used, how long is the washing time, how much temperature is controlled during hot water treatment, how long is the pH value controlled during pickling, how much temperature is controlled, how long the washing time, how high the temperature during phosphating Long time, how high the temperature during neutralization, how long, how high is the temperature during graphite processing, how long, how long is the final drying, is it normal temperature cooling or high temperature air supply, what tonnage hydraulic press used for forging, different cylinders of the hydraulic press How to set the pressure of the body, how to adjust the motion curve, how to handle the mold, and what shape. These numerous technological processes require a little bit of trial and error, to improve, and may also have to take care of each other, multi-head balance, overall coordination, and prevent pressing the gourd from drifting, in order to achieve the final overall optimal solution. And this is just a component, and modern manufacturing has thousands of parts and thousands of optimal solutions to make the final product, which is what we call “good quality”. We talk about it all day long. The “industrial foundation” in this is such a process of exploring the optimal solution and gradually accumulating, and all this requires only time, which is advantageous for the late-developing countries, because the road that predecessors traversed, we directly Just go, there is no need to explore, and the frontier exploration is the most difficult, because you have to explore the optimal solution by yourself. The advantage of Japan’s manufacturing industry is only that it has industrialized decades earlier than us and has accumulated more optimal solutions. As for why the US manufacturing industry is so dirty? It’s very simple, the system is a problem.

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helpmekim
6 months ago

Thanks invite. The quality made in Japan is not good enough, but the system made in Japan is our sister society. LP lean production, TPS Toyota production method, how many domestic auto companies have done it? After so many years of competition protection and priority support, the production system formed in the 1970s is still in a state of disuse. At least 300,000 people and thousands of companies have visited the Toyota Motomachi factory built in 1989. A group of old man workers, mixed production of different configuration models, can also take off the assembly line in 2.5 minutes. Yes, the Shanghai Lingang SAIC plant can be fully assembled and rolled off the assembly line in 76 seconds. We can afford a full set of imported automation equipment, which can be equipped with hundreds of micron-level precision welding robots. It is fully inspected by German Audit standards. It is a world-class digital factory. However, most of this knowledge (and the patents behind it) are not yours. Made in China, there is no need to worry about quality issues. For many Japanese goods, I personally give priority to whether it is Made in China or not. If yes, I can rest assured, because I can probably guess where it was produced. Thirty or five Showa old men, a standard Shao Zuo Mandarin, with a dozen young apprentices and two to three hundred workers, cats in Tianjin Jinghai or Suzhou Industrial Park. No, but a little flustered. God knows if the old men of Kashima and Nagoya wear their reading glasses. The quality benchmarks made in Japan are no longer out of reach. The real value is the engineering experience accumulated in the Japanese manufacturing and the system for summarizing these experiences. According to Ohno, Japanese manufacturing represented by the Toyota Production System is essentially “poor management”. How rich the American emperor was after World War II. The people are rich, the market is huge, and the car orders are in units of 10,000; the capital is rich, and if the market expects it, I will give you money. People can’t afford a car? In 1959, the Ford Auto Loan Company was established directly, and Wall Street bought it for you. Japan after World War II did not have these. Therefore, the auto companies of the American Emperor at that time could produce on a large-scale assembly line, and then check after the production. If the quality control is not qualified, it will not be qualified. Anyway, the quantity is large enough, and the profit margin is still high. Japan can only return to the simplest origin of production: a single process must stop when abnormalities are found, and defective products must be reduced at the component level; production capacity must be determined by sales volume, production lines must achieve rapid response, and inventory pressure must be improved; production line organization efficiency must be improved. After the order is fully confirmed, start production quickly to reduce risks; in order to save time and cost, the placement of production lines and equipment must be designed according to the characteristics of the process; the labor time required for a single product or even a single process must be accurately calculated; Don’t make the goods in one mind and then throw them to the next process. The next process should order the goods one by one according to the batch to achieve a pull-type bite. Are these starting points unpredictable? To tell the truth is to refine Taylor’s scientific management. But these refinements have become the key to manufacturing in Japan. Because of the need for measurement, actuarial calculations, and optimization of process procedures and production equipment based on field data, standards must be formed. When it comes to the standard level, it’s a bit awesome. Because you have the best standards for the production process, you can go up from simple production to the manufacturing of production equipment and the production of raw materials. You can go upstream. You know what kind of state can optimally produce a piece of clothing, you naturally have a better foundation than others to develop sewing machines, and go up to the equipment manufacturing industry in the clothing industry. Therefore, the Japanese apparel manufacturing industry has become a good example. Juki sewing machines can still be sold, and they are selling very well; Toray, which supplied nylon materials back then, is now going to make carbon fiber and supply it to Boeing. Can you say that Japan has really withdrawn from the “low-end” clothing industry? Facing China’s competition, the Heisei boys are indeed Fira. ToC’s complete product positions have been lost one by one. They can only shrink to the upstream of electric motors, photoresists, and special steels, and shrink to the fields of chemical electronic materials, parts, precision instruments, etc. . But think about it: It’s 2021, how can you shrink? This is the strength that the Showa man left for Japan to make. Ten years ago, I mentioned Ohno Naiichi, probably because of the applause of KaKa; now I talk about the Toyota Production System, and most probably dismiss it. Your Toyota recall door is not once or twice. But I have to mention, because we are now in need of Ohno Naiichi this “sage in work clothes”, we have to form a system-level system made in China. A huge amount of data accumulates in China’s world’s largest manufacturing capacity. If these amounts of data can be aggregated and integrated, even if it is just using the existing algorithmic capabilities, it will be enough to form a far stronger barrier than Japan’s lean production. This is not only the ability to accurately match orders, rapid response to production, polar inventory, and higher customization; this can also include data-level production simulation (data twinning), which can be traced back to production equipment manufacturing, raw material production and development, and ultimately accelerate The application of basic scientific research forms a precise and fast cycle. It is too ideal, but this is the direction that China’s industrial upgrading cannot avoid. Especially nowadays with declining birthrate and aging population, competitive advantage can no longer be placed in the basket of demographic dividend. In short, the glory of Japanese manufacturing is long gone, but the learning of Japanese manufacturing is far from stopping. Only when it is “difficult to replace” can we relax a little, and we must rely on knowledge, not just sweat (and low wages).

heloword
6 months ago

In this matter, besides quality, there is another variable called price. If you compare a product made in a small factory in Yiwu with a cost of RMB 1 and a cost of RMB 100 in Japan, it must be made in Japan with good quality. I remember that there were people who were envious of moving services in Japan. Dear friends, do you know how expensive it is to find a Japanese to move? Generally speaking, we Chinese people look for moving companies from Chinese people, and the cost can be at least half the price, and similar services can also be provided. Just like the top-notch taxi service in Japan, these additional values ​​are obtained by you one by one… But for most of our people, these expensive additional services are really not needed. In most cases in Japan, you have no choice. Speaking of made in Japan, the durability of Japan (most of the products) is indeed higher, and the user-friendly and considerate design is all dazzling. We really have to admit these. There has been a recent scandal and all the advantages of others should not be erased. But the disadvantage is that the price remains high, and the speed of product upgrades is extremely slow. So you look at the good refrigerator micro-electric rice cookers sold on Amazon in Japan. They are basically Haier or a few low-priced Japanese brands (also made in China)… So, if you measure the price/performance ratio, it is indeed made in Japan. Not high. Recently, there have been no Chinese tourists. I think the super high-priced rice cookers in Japan are basically unsalable. Japanese people are not stupid. The LG large color TV sold in Costco is just over 50,000 yen, and the Sony with similar specifications (which will definitely have higher performance) costs more than 200,000… even if it’s 100,000 yen, I guess there will be people. Hesitate, but it’s normal that so many people will buy it because of the brand premium. And in industries such as cosmetics and clothing, Made In Japan has become a label. Many people who come to Japan for OEM products care only about the place of production, so that the products have more selling points, rather than superior quality. Of course, what you have to endure is the not very stable and powerful production capacity, the extremely long production cycle, and the extremely inflexible corresponding ability. Without a firm belief and a strong heart, you will be driven crazy by the so-called excellence of Japanese manufacturing. (Secretly speaking, there are basically only Chinese people. Now Southeast Asian countries also have this tendency. When buying things, they will specifically ask whether they are made in Japan or China. Most tourists who travel to Japan are almost scornful of Japanese brands made in China. But Japan People really don’t care much about this anymore… Look at those Korean-made cosmetics that are also very popular.) Secondly, in terms of the management system, you can think that most of the cosmetics company’s management is a group of 50 years old. Above, are you guys who may not even be able to use smart phones? This rigid system makes it difficult to optimize Japan’s production optimization. If you stand still while others are improving, it means you are constantly regressing. Therefore, Japanese manufacturing is indeed stepping off the altar little by little. On the surface, it is the inevitable result of the recent fraud and other problems that the production speed and cost and the progress of innovation cannot keep up with the progress of the times. And there is almost no room for turning around.

helpyme
6 months ago

I have worked as a plumber, and it’s not good to say that the eight-year life span of a domestic generator brand is considered to be remarkable. After that, parts and components will be replaced or overhauled. However, the generators in Japan and some western countries are ten years old. A lower limit. The domestic water valve needs to be replaced by a few thousand years, two years, the limit, foreign countries, including Japan, two years is only the lower limit of others. I really call on those who answer the questions on Zhihu, more practitioners, and fewer answerers who “shake cleverly and don’t know anything, but I just think so”. It is undeniable that the domestic quality is not bad, but when it comes to durability and stability, there is still a gap. Someone is about to say, if you compare a few thousand to tens of thousands of others, isn’t that Tian Ji horse racing? My understanding of industrial production is that the stability is greater than the price. You have thousands of them, and they will break from time to time. Not only is it time-consuming to repair, but also delays in various aspects, such as product delivery, product defect rate, product delivery, All production plans, customer expectations, etc. must be changed accordingly, and the losses incurred here are greater than the price difference. Returning to the product, the domestic plc stability has not been comparable to Siemens and Mitsubishi. This is the real gap. In large-scale projects, such as subway and chemical plant control systems, how many dare to use the domestic plc system? Face the gap in order to catch up.

sina156
6 months ago

I am in the manufacturing industry. Although Japan has exposed many quality problems in recent years, I still have to say that the quality of most Japanese products is indeed acceptable. The problem in Japan is that it is too much of a myth of its own quality. In fact, they are all industrial products. What are the good myths. The result of the myth is that it is easy to concentrate on the outbreak of quality problems several times, leading to the overall collapse of the Japanese-made brand. In fact, just like the celebrities in the entertainment industry, let’s just talk about the article. Before the derailment incident was exposed, the love show flew up, the Internet was full of his and Ma Yili’s affectionate interactions, and then derailed, and it collapsed. For the subject’s question, my answer is: The overall level of quality made in Japan is still good. It can still be regarded as an upstream level, but it is definitely not as good as the online myth. I’m still saying that everyone’s products are manufactured in industry. Don’t brag about myths. Do the inspections, process inspections, and factory inspections honestly, and don’t rectify the false ones.

yahoo898
6 months ago

For similar products with similar price levels, strict double-blind testing is performed and statistical difference analysis is performed. If significant differences are achieved and Japanese products are more effective, then the quality of Japanese products will naturally be better. If the result is contrary, the utility of the control group product is higher, then the price range of the control group product is lowered, and a strict double-blind test is performed until the result of the statistical difference analysis is that the difference is not significant. At this time, the price difference between Japanese products and control products is the so-called “feeling tax”, commonly known as “shaking M tax.”

leexin
6 months ago

The reputation of Japanese manufacturing in the country was mainly established in the 1980s and 1990s. On the one hand, Japanese home appliances and other products began to enter ordinary domestic households at that time, and the quality was really good, so the reputation of Japanese manufacturing was also good. On the other hand, due to the large economic gap between China and Japan, Japanese exaggerated myths such as Nibuki and Nixon have become Japan, including Japanese manufacturing, what craftsmanship, summer camps, washing dishes seven times, drinking toilet water, and burying coal in Tokyo Bay All of them are familiar to everyone. In recent years, as frauds in many fields such as Japanese steel, automobiles, and pharmaceuticals have been exploded, the myth of Japanese manufacturing has collapsed. The picture below shows the ultra-large container ship built by Japan in 2008 broke into two pieces at sea and sank in 2013.

greatword
6 months ago

The past is so good. Japan’s past glory is based on the fact that the global economy is in the post-war recovery period and the market demand is strong. In order to contain the Communist International, the U.S. imperialism also opened the U.S. market to Japan. The people of the Showa era in Japan were holding back the humiliation of defeat and they wanted to kill all of the American companies. Competing with U.S. companies is no longer entirely a market behavior. In their view, it is a continuation of the war. The Showa generation did a good job, and traditional American companies were almost unable to resist. However, after the Plaza Accord, the competitiveness of Japanese products fell sharply. Moreover, in the past, the spiritual power of the Showa people who wanted to kill the American imperial enterprise was supporting them 996, desperately pursuing excellence. By the time of the adult generation, there is no such awareness. 996 has to add money, or even not do it.

loveyou
6 months ago

The first answer is just to comply with the ridicule. After all, it is the professional director of Qoros Company. It is not the same as what a fanatic like me thinks. Let me talk about my opinion. I used to do company equipment maintenance, and I needed to use hexagonal wrenches for micro-adjustment. I often used 2, 6, and 8 hexagons. At that time, I asked the leader to buy more than 3,000 Sida tool carts, which contained 2 Vice, 2 hexes were all scrapped in 2 months, and 8 hexes also slipped after half a year. If the leader has a maintenance budget, I suggest buying a Japanese one, but the leader spent 200 to buy a hex, but he couldn’t find the ball. I was confused because of this brand. It’s so expensive. It’s better to buy a domestically produced product at around 70. The result is really fragrant and it does not slip until it is lost for almost a year. It really does not slip until it is lost. The wrench of 2 I bought by myself, Stanley’s, slipped in about 3 months. To be honest, the tool has no technical content, just the difference of the original material and the intention; there is also the relay domestic DLX (abbreviation) for 3 months It has to be changed. This is the absolute first-class brand in the domestic electrical industry? Japan’s use of one-year 100% without damage, cutting corners and cutting materials, Japan also does this. I believe that, after all, companies also want profits, but in terms of the results of use, Japan’s cutting corners can be so much stronger than domestic good products. Some people must say that Japan is so expensive and domestic products are so cheap. You can buy the same price and compare them. Domestic products are definitely better than foreign countries. I’ll hehe, the domestic internal circuit copper sheet at the same price may be larger and thicker than Japan, which seems more conscientious, but the silver-plated body is silver-plated, do they do it for you? In NEC, the contact points are all silver and domestic relays. Not to mention the whole body is plated with silver, there are several points of silver, and the details are too different. This little detail is the key to the more durable Japanese products; when it comes to the fraud of Japanese products, a lot of them have been exposed. More, but it’s still good overall. Thanks to the high qualification standards of others, it is simply unmatched in China. In the past, my predecessor company did export and domestic sales. The domestic sales and some countries in Southeast Asia are all Class B specifications, and they are exported to developed countries. Strictly implement Class A standards, and long-term export-friendly companies even give Class S standards. This is the difference between domestic and developed countries such as Japan. There are too many product standard deviations. Companies on the market are basically similar to each other. If you don’t lower the tax standard, you can’t live without profit. If you have a tax rebate for export, you can eat the tax rebate profit. This is also the source of the low-price dumping that Lao Mei said. Don’t look at the small noodles, but look at the overall situation, just like our rocket cow, but can you say that we are good as a whole, our milk powder is poor, can we say that we are poor as a whole? Looking at the world’s best-selling Japanese products in the world, Japan is a small country In the world’s top five, there are not so many fools in the world, and the economy can’t make it into the top five without a strong back.

strongman
6 months ago

This question should be divided into two levels. First, the quality of Japanese manufacturing was at its peak in the 1970s and 1990s. The quality of Japanese goods was indeed relatively good. Although not as heavy and strong as European and American products, the design is well-designed, functional, exquisite, compact and durable. In particular, automobiles, home appliances, audio-visual equipment and other electronic products are worth learning. The beginning of the change in consumer psychology is at the peak of Japanese manufacturing. A large number of excellent Japanese products have entered the Chinese market, which has won the quality of Japanese manufacturing in China. The excellent reputation has also produced side effects. Some consumers who are too fond of foreigners completely deify Japanese manufacturing. Some people who lack self-confidence blindly depreciate the fact that Chinese products are constantly improving and ignore the fact that the quality of domestic products is constantly improving. This has made the mistake of not being able to keep pace with the times. It’s too late to be too late, it should be reflected and avoided

stockin
6 months ago

As far as household appliances are concerned, the quality is really good. I have been here for so many years. From the vacuum cleaners and rice cookers that others gave me when I was in school, to the various new home appliances I bought after work and marriage, nothing was eliminated because the appliances were broken. I’m tired of seeing it all by myself, and I just throw it away when I want to get a new one. My husband once had a senior in the research room who gave the rice cooker, Panasonic. When it was given, it was already an old model, with basic functions. Always use it, use it until graduation, leave school, come to work in Tokyo, and bring it with it. Want to replace it. At that time, the mind was still on “renewing something when it was worn out”, plus it was really no problem to use it. In this way, he took over, and it took six years to throw it away cruelly. After I moved to Tokyo, I bought a refrigerator, and I have been using it all the time. It is not broken and has never been repaired. For twelve years, I really wanted to change the vegetable room to a style with a larger capacity before I threw it away. I bought a microwave oven and used it for eight years. I really wanted to change it to a water-boiled style before I threw it away. I bought a washing machine and used it for five years. I really wanted to change it to a drum model before I threw it away. The rice cooker at home has been used for seven or eight years now, and it is of high quality. However, when washing the pot some time ago, someone removed the lid of the pot and washed it, and there was one missing part after washing. Now, I can make up my mind to change to a new pot. I spent some money on buying an electronic piano, and I bought it with a 5-year warranty. Well, it’s not broken at all. Even if the bear child sometimes plays the piano too hard, sometimes tries to play the piano with his toes, it’s not bad. In fact, here, we often complain: Japanese home appliances are not bad and annoying. If they are not bad, they can’t make up their minds to buy new ones.

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